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| 02/04/2007 7:20 PM |
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Don Enoch, Hakim, and myself discussed blade grasping today and the consensus we arrived at is that it is only slightly different from an open hand parry; The difference being that you can close your hand over the blade and move it off line, but the instant you feel pressure of the blade moving forward or back, you must release it and consider your hand cut.
Tug-of-war, trying to pull the blade out of your opponent’s hand, or bending a blade results in a "hold" and a spanking. |
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| 02/05/2007 12:12 AM |
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Posted By Sevrin on 02-04-2007 7:20 PM
Tug-of-war, trying to pull the blade out of your opponent’s hand, or bending a blade results in a "hold" and a spanking.
Really? And here I thought that was just us. Guess we'll have to find something else to make us unique.
Because grabbing is so similar to an open hand parry, I still haven't found any use for it besides tossing your opponents blade in a totally unnatural direction relative to the placement of your hand. Better to just push it off line with far less risk of losing your hand. Killer fun time toying with the newbies though, when they give you blade control at your leisure...good times. |
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| 02/05/2007 2:02 PM |
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Sorry Morleigh, I misread your post.
In the short time we've been exploring the blade-gasping piece we've concluded that trying to pull out of it gives your opponent way too much time to land a shot. So, pushing into it and rolling your hand over to follow through with a cut after your opponent releases his grip is one way to turn it to your advantage.
Of course, tip control to avoid it in the first place would rock.
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| 02/12/2007 11:25 AM |
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I walked through this with Morleigh at practice yesterday. When it comes down to it, there is really no difference between what one could expect with an open hand, and the previous ruleset, and with a closed hand, and the new ruleset.
If the blade moves in the closed hand at all, that hand is lost. If you grab someones blade and then use that as "leverage" to attack (by either pulling or pushing your opponent around) a hold is to be called, and the person grabbing the blade recieves a warning. |
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| 02/12/2007 8:12 PM |
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Perhaps I'm not reading this thread correctly, but I am very confused. Is grasping the blade "in" or "out" of the current rules set? I see it listed in the ABC's, but some of the comments made here lead me to believe that grasping may have been removed again.
Clarification for this poor lost brain dead soul, please?
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| 02/12/2007 9:35 PM |
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| it is in the current rule set. |
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| 02/12/2007 10:42 PM |
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Posted By jgreywolf on 02-12-2007 11:25 AM
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When it comes down to it, there is really no difference between what one could expect with an open hand, and the previous ruleset, and with a closed hand, and the new ruleset.
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I agree - the real dif is the fighter is not chided for closing their hand on the blade, and they have more options on the redirect as they move their hand with the blade.
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luaithrenn
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| 02/13/2007 9:23 AM |
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Thanks for the clarification on whether grasping is "in" or "out." I will bring the fighters in our branch up to speed, and advise them that Grasping doesn't mean tug of war!
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