Dormouse
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| 07/27/2006 6:05 PM |
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I'd like to see the requirement (As was in the experiment.) that participants be using known hisorical technique. In other words using techniques as taught by any of the masters whether, rapier, or spada de filo, etc.
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jgreywolf
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| 07/27/2006 6:20 PM |
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Yeah - I was considering this as well.
Be prepared for something. C&T may not be legal until after 12th night. Not that His Majesty would not approve the rules, but that I may pull them back myself. This would only be if there are any requests to change the C&T rules by the Crown or the EM, specifically to add more armor, restricted to people with baubles, or some other dilution of what this is intended to be |
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SimonFencer
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| 07/27/2006 6:43 PM |
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I agree with Craig. The whole point in my view is to be doing historical stuff, not just bashing each other.
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Chrestien
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| 07/27/2006 9:30 PM |
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Hello All,
So, Dormouse, Gregorio and I hashed out a rough proposition for C&T authorization. I will get a full version together soon, but this is the core of it.
Armour Standards: Rigid back of head, knees and elbows required. Hand protection, wrist protection, forearm protection and padding over surface bones strongly recomended.
Authorizing Marshals: Justin and myself.
Marshals: Regional Marshals from Sidesword experiment, selected others with agreement of both Justin and myself.
Authorization Process:
Practice Permit: Any Marshal may sign off on a Practice Permit. This allows the fighter to participate in C&T practices under the watchful eyes of the Marshalate. The signing Marshal is the fighter's Mentor for the rest of the process. The Practice Permit includes a listing of 'primary area of study' so that other Marshals may evaluate the fighter appropriately.
Authorization: When the Mentor decides the fighter is ready then the fighter may start collecting sign offs for successful practices. This serves the purpose of establishing a minimum experience level. And is also a version of 'Playing the Prize.' There must be at least two Marshals signing off on a fighter. We were talking about the arbitrary number of six practices (minimum) to complete this process. I am not necessarily stuck on that number.
After this minimum is met, and the Mentor deems it appropriate, an Authorization final is performed (like Rapier authorization plus cuts). If successful the Authorization form is bumped up to Regional. If they concur it is bumped up to Kingdom with a CC to Justin. Any 'no' along the line is a 'NO' period, start over.
Along with the Authorization process we must talk weapon forms. Single sword, sword and buckler and sword and dagger are pretty much core. Watch the hand protection with that dagger though. Sword and cloak also has a place. Sword and baton, um not so much. Case is an interesting problem, Gregorio pointed out that Meyer, Sutor and (I believe) Agrippa show essentially C&T case.
Now, in answer to concerns that system may be 'exclusionary.' Gregorio pointed out that this system is very similar to what the Chiurgeons practice. Another system where competancy is required before you get to play,
As I said this is rough, but I want it out there for opinions.
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SimonFencer
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| 07/28/2006 7:04 AM |
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I am all for that system. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with being exclusionary.
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Dormouse
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| 07/29/2006 7:56 PM |
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Chrestien,
As a point of clarification, 'cause I know someone will ask the question, it may as well be me....
When you say marshal you are refering to C & T authorizing marshals only, correct?
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Chrestien
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| 07/31/2006 4:55 PM |
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In the brief proposal I wrote up.
C&T Authorizing Marshals (Justin and myself to start) would be needed to sign off on new C&T Fighter's authorization card (just one of us would need to sign) or to sign off on a new C&T Marshal (both of us would need to sign).
C&T Marshals would include Regional and Branch Marshals. They would be allowed to oversee practices and Tourneys; sign off on 'Practice Permits'; and be part of the 6 (or whatever) signatures needed for Authorization before the Authorization request goes to Regional and finally me.
C&T Marshals would be keeping an eye on things at the local level and making recomendations to Kingdom for new C&T Fighters.
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Dormouse
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| 07/31/2006 6:51 PM |
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Does this mean then that those of us who were Authorizing Marshals during the experiment would have to requalify?
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Chrestien
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| 07/31/2006 9:46 PM |
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I would think that 'reauthorizing' would be a good idea for both Sidesword (experiment) Marshals and Fighters. Some people have kept up on it, there are probably some people that have not.
If we are trying to be very careful and not let any problems slip through the cracks, then a little review would not hurt anyone.
Its no different than a rapier authorization that has been let slide.
With the C&T Marshals we just need to make sure everyone is up to speed on the material and how the administrative processes will work.
I am sure that in most cases it will be simple, quick and relatively painless.
-- Chrestien
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