Utgar the Mad
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| 03/23/2006 3:34 PM |
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Please do 
I actually started readuing that forum that was mentioned and the issue is very interesting... espescially that part about WMA being added as an A&S activity in certain places.... that sounds interesting.
And back to the WHO thread
IM not
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Dormouse
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| 03/23/2006 7:20 PM |
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Posted By Utgar the Mad on 03-23-2006 12:17 PM I find myself in the position to humbly disagree with Dormouse on one point.... Ill get to it but I need to qualify my perspective first.
With that said I would humbly disagree with Dormouse's opinion that "Your not missing much" and say that:
1: You should see that for yourself
2: There are a lot of people in the SCA and not the WMA that are doing everything they can to perfect this art, there are also a lot that are jokers . But it would be a shame to not experience all of them because you never checked them out.
Just my opinion
Utgar
1. I won't argue there, don't take anyone's word on something subjective, with the possible exception of someone you've known for a long time, and even then only advisedly...
2. Also true...
I won't go on from here 'cause I don't want to hijack this thread.
Craig
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Dormouse
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| 03/23/2006 7:33 PM |
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Posted By SimonFencer on 03-23-2006 3:21 PM
One suggestion on getting the two working better together would be to better present the concept of learning period techniques.
One of the purposes of the SCA is to recreate the middle ages (and by extension the years before and after...vaguely 600-1650 depending on who you ask)...learning some period techniques helps do exactly that.
Craig can back me up on this point, is today we have simulators designed to work with period styles. 10 years ago they were rare, 15 non-existent. What was available was Olympic fencing equipment, so the styles that developed where essentially Olympic fencing in period garb.
If we can present the topic as beneficial and enjoyable and not as your way is wrong this way is right I would think we would see less resistance. (maybe...hopefully). We had a similar conversation at Madrone practice last night, and I brought up the example some other period A&S study topic. Let’s call it Basket Weaving (we did...). If we were doing period basket weaving, the competition (according to one of us that has some experience with SCA A&S comps) wouldn't necessarily be any less, but people are more willing to try how it was done then.
From the few WMA classes I have taken I have found that for every technique "How" there is also a "Why" that goes with it.
Ok…from rereading this I can see I am starting to ramble (I am at work, and it seems to be an occupational hazard), but I will post it anyway, as even though I have finished all my thoughts at least I have put a few ideas out there for us to discuss.
William is correct, let’s try to keep this as constructive as possible.
Paul
Yes you are correct. I would have given significant portions of my anatomy to have had the accuracy of simulators that we have today 20 years ago.
What absoultely slays me is... Nope I'm not gonna do it... It'll just hijack the thread...
If anyone is interested can contact me personally...
Craig
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Utgar the Mad
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| 03/24/2006 9:46 AM |
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Ok no Hijack, Dormouse could you please expand in a new thread???
You got me totally curiouse now LOL
Utgar....
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jgreywolf
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| 03/25/2006 12:20 PM |
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Thanks for the post William. I liked the floating images. ;)
Unfortunately, some of that has to be allowed to get other things to work.
Oh well.
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welder
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| 03/25/2006 5:06 PM |
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| No prob. I just didn't want you to get an unpleasant surprise from someone else later. |
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Dormouse
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| 03/26/2006 6:27 PM |
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Posted By Dormouse on 03-23-2006 7:33 PM
If anyone is interested can contact me personally...
Utgar see above...
Craig
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Lessingham
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| 04/19/2006 11:13 PM |
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Actually - WMA has been added formally to the process as a Arts and Sciences activity everywhere. It came out from corporate officially. So far I have run 3 classes under the auspices of A&S at various events. Two in AnTir and one in West Kingdom. Teaching Marozzo drills even gets the heavy fighters involved.
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jgreywolf
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| 04/20/2006 12:36 PM |
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Um. From my understanding Historical Combat under A&S was only added to An Tir recently. Before that it was not allowed (in theory).
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luaithrenn
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| 04/20/2006 12:47 PM |
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Are there any WMA schools/groups in An Tir that aren't on the I-5 corridor? I know that there are many of us in the eastern desert who would be interested, but can't make the trip across the mountains mid-week...
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jgreywolf
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| 04/20/2006 1:00 PM |
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Knights of Veritas is in your area Luaithrenn...
Thet brought William Wilson to do a Capo Ferro workshop last year.
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welder
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| 04/20/2006 1:25 PM |
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luaithrenn,
I'm not up on my SCA geography so I may be off base, but you might also look at Whitman's fencing club. They do some sidesword, I understand.
You might also try the "Practice Partner Finder" on SFI.
-William
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| 04/20/2006 1:59 PM |
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Lessingham (or, heck, anybody else),
For the uninitiated, how is a WMA class under "Arts & Sciences" different from the same material taught as part of a fencing curriculum in the SCA? Are there more restrictions? Does it mean that you cannot free bout? Does it require a higher degree of scholarship? If so, how is this judged and by whom?
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welder
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| 04/20/2006 2:05 PM |
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And, because three posts in a row make me triply cool...
Where can I find a list of WMA classes scheduled in An Tir? The An Tir web calendar doesn't seem terribly useful in that regard and I'm curious about who's teaching them. |
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Mughain
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| 04/21/2006 12:30 PM |
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| I would think this site would be an excellent forum for information on WMA instruction available within the SCA, William. |
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Lessingham
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| 04/24/2006 12:01 AM |
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Well Justin;
Those classes all happened since last summer - they wouldn't have been reported to you as any reports would have gone out with the A&S ministers report for the events. Classes were held here in GlynDwfn last October at Samhain and again this Spring at Hochtide. Material covered was Marozzo's sword and buckler work. In West Kingdom this same subject was covered by me at their Collegium (last fall) As for it being added recently - that happened last year when the announcements went out in the kingdom newsletters. But then it was mostly a formality anyhow.... historic subjects are always covered under A&S. Of course it is only this weekend I have heard that there has actually been put in place a reporting structure seperate from the regular A&S office...... You might find it profitable to actually announce that formally in the Crier and on this list. In the future I will use that structure.
William....
The guidelines came out in the Crier last year as a letter approving it from the BOD... Basically it isn't a big deal. You can't be doing anything in the from of free bouting or with multiple combatants. So drill work examining historic technique in a controlled environment. |
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Lessingham
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| 04/24/2006 12:43 AM |
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Ahh... found it. Letter from the BOD approved July 2005 published in the Crier in September 2005.
Really.. it's all just a formality anyhow. There wasn't anything stopping you before from teaching historical technique at any old rapier or heavy practice as long as you didn't use illegal techniques to hit people with. What they really did was tell some of the higher ups in the marshallate causing problems to shut the heck up. It puts an end to things like the society marshal shutting down the showing of the Martinez Destreza tapes at Pennsic because they depict illegal techniques (just for one example). On the up side it also means that we have been formally recognized by the socitey minister of A&S. |
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Lessingham
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| 04/24/2006 12:52 AM |
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Oh William....
You are also required to provide documentation for classes just like any other A&S activity. |
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Utgar the Mad
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| 04/24/2006 11:05 AM |
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Just one more step inthe quest to legitamize Rapier to all of the Naysayers out there
this is a good thing. |
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