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warwickUser is Offline
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05/05/2007 1:46 PM Alert 
I've seen a few good ones in the past, but can't seem to locate any of them now.

I'm looking for a modern representation of a cutting circle suitable for printing on a large scale.  Can anyone direct me to such a thing?

Secondary to this request is a question - what language do you use for cuts?  The charts I've seen sometimes use different words for the same thing -  especially for "montante".

Thanks in advance

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05/07/2007 7:46 PM Alert 
Something like this but for cut/thrust?

These are the cuts for seiti-gata promoted by the ZNKR.

http://www.auskf.info/assets/Iaido%202004/Iaido_diagram_18x28in_476kb.jpg

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05/08/2007 11:06 PM Alert 
Hmm not so much

Fendente
Squalambrato
Tonto
Montante
I'm missing one.

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Falso can be simply stated i feel

Guess I'll just make one
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05/09/2007 12:22 PM Alert 
For the terminology, Italian is the default for <1600...French fencing vocabulary did not become widespread until later.  A reasonable exception might be made for Spanish in the case of destreza, though.  Below are the Italian terms, per Tom Leoni, here:

The first name of the cut is either mandritto or riverso.

A Mandritto is any cut that proceeds from the right side of the swordsman doing the cutting.

A Riverso is any cut that proceeds from the left side of the swordsman doing the cutting.

The second name of a cut is any of the following, depending on the specific direction of the action.

Fendente: a cut proceeding vertically downward.

Squalembrato: a downward cut proceeding diagonally.

Tondo: a cut proceeding along a horizontal plane.

Ridoppio: an upward cut proceeding diagonally.

Examples:

mandritto tondo ( = a cut proceeding from the right side of the swordsman and traveling on a horizontal plane);

riverso ridoppio ( = a cut proceeding from the left side of the swordsman and traveling upward, diagonally).

There are four cuts that do not follow the typical nomenclature of mandritto or riverso:

Falso dritto: an upward cut proceeding diagonally right-to-left, delivered with the false-edge of the sword.

Falso manco: an upward cut proceeding diagonally left-to-right, delivered with the false edge of the sword.

Sottomano: an upward vertical cut proceeding from the right side of the swordsman doing the cutting.

Montante: an upward vertical cut proceeding from the left side of the swordsman doing the cutting.

I'm not sure what you mean by "cutting diagram".  Do you mean a footwork diagram like this one from Thibault?  Or something more like Fiore's segno?


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05/09/2007 8:54 PM Alert 
Greetings Warwick,

If you are applying it to WMA, the circle would depend on which period master you are looking at. Since I prefer Meyer I will include a link of what he uses.

http://www.thehaca.com/pdf/jm7.htm
(Left hand side of the plate)

It is a simple one of eight positions. Here is an example of how it is used: using a High Cut [Oberhauw] cut downward From “A” through “E”. If you wish to continue through all eight, you would cut upwards with a Low Cut [Underhauw] from “F” through “B”, and so forth.

And though he teaches many different cuts, all are derived from four. The High Cut [Oberhauw], Wrath Cut [Zornhauw], Middle Cut [Mittlehauw], and Low Cut [Underhauw].

Please let me know if you would like more information on it.

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05/13/2007 11:47 PM Alert 
Very useful links - thank you all. 

I believe one of the better ones I've seen was a Marozzo diagram.  I found it again here - scroll down to section 6

http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/marozzo.php


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