Raoul
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| 02/13/2007 6:14 PM |
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Here's an interesting situation regarding section 1.9 Melee Combat.
1.9.2 states "In melees, combatants are engaged with all opponents immediately upon the call to 'lsy on'".
1.9.3 states: "Fighters may only attempt to thrust at or cut an opponent when they are within the 180 degree arc of the opponent's front"
1.9.3.a states: " a fighter who approaches an opponent from behind shall not attempt to thrust or cut until they are within that frontal arc.
1.9.3.b states: "A fighter must never deliberately touch an opponent from behind, except with shot or Death From Behind."
So here's the situation: a fighter has been legged so that he is immobilized. An opponent runs towards the legged fighter and approaches close enough that the legged fighter throws a thrust out to reach him. Realizing he is in danger, the opponent veers away from the legged fighter. The legged fighter manages to land a thrust but because his opponent has changed course the shot lands on his opponent's back.
Is the thrust valid even though the legged fighter was technically not in his opponent's FCE when it landed?
Raoul
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jgreywolf
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| 02/13/2007 8:31 PM |
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| Yes it is valid - because the thrust was started PRIOR to the other fighter turning his back. |
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Justin Greywolf (SCA: Ramon Diaz de la Vega)
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Raoul
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| 02/14/2007 7:20 AM |
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I'm with you, and I think common sense is with you, but the rules lawyers will be against you.
Everyone needs to remember that a a shot is not invalid just because it hit you in the back. If you turn your back on your opponent, that doesn't make you suddenly impervioius to harm.
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Arffuidsson
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| 02/16/2007 12:25 AM |
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Greetings,
I also agree with Justin. In fact I have seen people try to abuse the rule by turning their back quickly. The marshals took that individual aside and discussed with them how that was like calling hold just because your opponent had the advantage in a situation.
On the other side, when I was a newbie in the East Kingdom, I was engaged with the opponent infront of me while someone circled behind me. Since the EK rules stated that you can not ignore the person beind you (and they were stating "M'lord, you are engaged from behind), I attempted to shift as much as possible to not have my back to them. They would follow and keep behind me. The individual repremanded me for "ignoring" them. I did not know how to deal with it. Now, with the experiences that I have, I would talk to that individual about their actions and how it could be read as them abusing the rules.
I hope my comments help.
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Guillemin
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| 02/16/2007 2:35 PM |
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Here's a situation that I noticed several times at our recent melees at Winter War in Borealis (Edmonton, AB). It was a resurrection scenario with an objective to obtain, and people were asked to retain wounds and were not permitted to suicide. The logical tactic is to leg your opponent far from their objective, then leave them so they cannot regenerate. Legs were thus the principal target. Many fighters, however, were throwing shots (cuts, mostly, thank goodness) at their opponents legs from behind (ie. sneaking up on someone and legging them). According to the rules, they were not engaged at that point, and the only valid (and safe) technique from that position is a DFB.
I brought the issue up with fighters I saw doing this and with the marshal in charge. He explained the rule more throughly to both sides and we didn't see it any more. Neatly dealt with, I think.
Probably not a common occurence, but something I've seen once in awhile nonetheless... |
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Guillemin de Rouen
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godvonrav
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| 02/16/2007 10:20 PM |
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| Hmmm....actually got to use a similiar manuever at Warren War. Of course I called out "legged from behind". Then they stood there slightly dazed as they thought about it...and then went down to their knees.
Guidoboldo always kidded about using that method...I actually got to use it. It was hilarious |
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Raoul
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| 02/22/2007 12:23 PM |
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I first saw it when it was done to me at a Gryphon's Fury War nearly a decade ago.
I had to laugh... between curses 
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