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Luciano
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| 07/31/2006 4:09 PM |
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| How do you explain the stricter (then heavy) authorization to people when asked about it?
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Mughain
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| 07/31/2006 5:22 PM |
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As a blanket reason:
I explain the need for stricter authorization test from a purely safety perspective. We obviously have lower body armor requirements, and the neccesity is for any fighter (new or old) to be fully aware and demonstrate reasonably & consistently properly guaged hits in conjunction with dealing with the movement of the opponent & the opponent's attacks. |
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Dormouse
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| 07/31/2006 6:43 PM |
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Huh.... I've never been asked oddly enough.
If asked, I'm not sure what I'd say.
But of course, no one will ask me. I'm unapproachable, evil, and elitist...
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Guillemin
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| 07/31/2006 9:29 PM |
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Except for the body armour requirements, I'd contend that all of the above is true for heavy as well. When fighting heavy you have to be aware of other things. Like the bottom of their leg armour and how low you can throw a shot, as well as hitting with sufficient force to kill, but not hurt the guy (figure that one out  )
I'd like the opinion of someone who frequently fights both on this. I do fight heavy, but only in wars. And I'd say that it's not more or less strict. Just different. |
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Mughain
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| 08/01/2006 8:06 AM |
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Genericaly I might agree Guillemen,.
IMO, however with incorrect guaging of distance/or controlling the power in your hits, injuries in rapier are far more likely to occur from say, an excessive thrust to the ribs, than I have personally experienced with heavy in receiving an overpowered wrap to the upper body.
(Due to the dispersing effect that heavy armor has with the 1 & 1/2" thick edge of a heavy sword/stick. Yes, I might get moved significantly with that heavy blow, but its the rapier thrust to the ribs that is more likely to leave the broken bone)
And that is from 6 years playing as a Heavy sword & Pike in Clan Carn. Course, that's my experience and perception.
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Cinara
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| 08/29/2006 1:12 AM |
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Posted By Mughain on 08-01-2006 8:06 AM
Genericaly I might agree Guillemen,.
IMO, however with incorrect guaging of distance/or controlling the power in your hits, injuries in rapier are far more likely to occur from say, an excessive thrust to the ribs, than I have personally experienced with heavy in receiving an overpowered wrap to the upper body.
(Due to the dispersing effect that heavy armor has with the 1 & 1/2" thick edge of a heavy sword/stick. Yes, I might get moved significantly with that heavy blow, but its the rapier thrust to the ribs that is more likely to leave the broken bone)
And that is from 6 years playing as a Heavy sword & Pike in Clan Carn. Course, that's my experience and perception.
.....Results vary with milk.
I think I have to agree with Mughain here. Having been doing both styles of fighting I receive "flashier" bruises (more surface than deep pain) from heavy fighting. These usually clear up in few days or so. The excessive hits I have received in rapier while smaller in surface are ALOT deeper in the tissue and not only hurt alot but take longer to appear and to heal.
BTW...on the subject of milk,... men feel free to stop reading here ... ladies, if you fight when lactating wear breast cups!!!!! NOTHING is worse than a clogged milk duct.
Been there dun that. Cabbage leaves help.
Hugs
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Hakim
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| 09/15/2006 1:08 AM |
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As some one who has been doing both heavy and rapier, off and on, for about 10 years, the only way that I see Rapier stricter than heavy is that there is a written exam for rapier and none for heavy. All of my heavy authorizations consited of doing some fights, asked if I knew the rules(not what the rules where), and the signing of my card. I personaly believe that heavies should also have the written test as well, but that kinda defeats the whole thing being based on your honor 
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jgreywolf
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| 09/18/2006 9:40 AM |
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There is no written exam for rapier. At least I should say, there is no "Official" written exam. 
There is the sample auth test provided in the appendix of the Rapier Rules though (previously in the RMH, now in the combined ruleset) |
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Samauel
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| 09/28/2006 11:06 PM |
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Hakim,
As most heavies can't read too well, they don't need no written exam. Just circle parts you want them to hit. |
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Arffuidsson
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| 10/07/2006 12:10 AM |
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Greetings,
From my personal experience, authorizations are as strict, or as lenient, as the authorizing marshal wishes it to be. This usually depends on the guidelines that have been handed to them by their KRM, their personal experiences (or lack thereof), and things that they might anticipate their candidate to do or say.
For example, when I moved to the West from the Outlands, I was very rigorous in my authorizations (you can ask Blayde, who is on this list). I wanted to know that the person that I was authorizing had read the rules well enough to quote them to me (sorry, it’s the prior enlisted man in me). Then I wanted to make sure that they could fight safely, even when wanky stuff is thrown at them (these are scenarios that I expect them to call a “Hold” on, or react in a safe manner)… I, uh, I got better.
Now, my authorizations are similar to Hakim’s heavy auths (except I will still expect the candidate to answer rules based questions accurately as possible), as well as the wanky stuff.
As for the anticipation, a good example is that I stick a nice, thick baton into the hands of a heavy cross-over, like Hakim (sorry to pick on you), and see if they attempt to follow the rules and not attempt to throw a flat-snap that connects with the Usher.
Please understand my comments are in regards to West Kingdom, and not An Tir. I have not attempted to authorize in An Tir, and I do not know specifics regarding your kingdom.
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