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jgreywolf
Hai Gioco?
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| 07/17/2006 1:58 PM |
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| First off: at July Coronation I was able to sync up with Their Majesties, the Earl Marshal, and his drop dead Deputy, regarding the status of the KRM office. Since His Majesty basically said that would support whatever the Earl Marshal was OK with, Maestri Dungadr "waved" his hands, and I am now the almost official Kingdom Rapier Marshal for An Tir. The only remaining step on my part is to fill out the Change of Officer form, and send it to the Earl Marshal for Warranting...
Other items of import:
- A new draft of the rapier rules is going to be reviewed over the next couple of days (by area deputies, etc), in preparation for a draft to be presented to the Earl Marshal, as well as the general populace, on Monday July 24th for further review and commentary. This new draft includes some recent changes at the Society level (recent as in, Friday July 14th), an updated official approved blade list, and slight formatting changes.
- Crestien de Valois, Three Mountains, has accepted a deputy position within the KRM's office for Cut and Thrust. He will be the main contact point for all C&T questions, activities, and the process for authorization of fighters and marshals for C&T.
- Chrestien ran a sidesword demo Sunday afternoon at July Coronation for His Majesty, King Almaric,Sir Daniel (drop dead Earl Marshal), Sir Markus....and three other knights whose names I forget now (sorry). General response was favorable, though there are a couple of minor concerns that His Majesty has regarding safety, and Chrestien will be following up on this directly, since they both live within the same area, and can meet up at weekly practice(s). His Majhesty is very interested in making this work, just wants to be able to armor up to our proposed rules for C&T, and experience for himself.
Any questions? Please ask..
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Justin Greywolf (SCA: Ramon Diaz de la Vega)
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Chrestien
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| 07/17/2006 10:26 PM |
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Hello All,
I met with King Almaric this evening, got him suited up and ran through some C&T. It went well, His Majesty still has some concerns, but I think we are working through them.
As far as the C&T Marshallate, the first thing I am going to need is some Regional Marshals. An Tir is a big place and I need a few extra sets of eyes.
Please contact me directly (chrestien -at- daos -dot- org) if you are interested or would like more information.
Also, if any C&T practices are going on out there, I need reports on them within the five days Ramon mentioned before. I know Three Mountains has an active C&T practice, anybody else?
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Alvarro
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| 07/18/2006 3:39 PM |
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What concerns did His Majesty have?
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Prudence. Temperance. Fortitude. Justice. |
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Chrestien
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| 07/18/2006 6:00 PM |
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The biggest concern His Majesty has seems to be around armour requirements. I do not think he is convinced that rapier 'armour' plus rigid knees, elbows and back of the head are going to be sufficient when C&T is opened to a wider number of fighters. I think that getting to play with three of us Monday night may have given him some better information.
He also keeps going back to the idea that if we want to be using a more cut oriented style that we should just go with heavy armour and rattan. I need to make the point that this is a civilian dueling style and that many of the techniques that are valid in an unarmoured/civilian setting just would not work very well against armour.
His Majesty is very open to the idea of adding C&T to the Marshal structure. He is just being very thorough in gathering information before making any kind of decision.
I will post more info as it becomes available.
-- Chrestien
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Alvarro
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| 07/19/2006 1:16 PM |
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Thanks for taking a lead on this...
I can see that, coming from the heavy side of things, it could look a bit scary. I think the rapier community has maybe not done too good a job of communicating just how stringent our usual authorization process is. I think our history of setting a performance standard for authorization probably makes the new rules more acceptable than they would be otherwise.
Perhaps you could give His Majesty some of the background by running him through a standard rapier authorization, and then explaining how it would be different for Cn'T.
I'd also reccomend buying a good side of pork ribs, hanging them from a hook, and letting him whale on them with a sharp to see exactly how much force is required to create an incapacitating injury to unarmoured bodies (really everyone should do this...)
Our school's been throwing newbies into the ring here with basically these rules, minus the increased armour, for two years. No issues at all, lotsa fun.
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jgreywolf
Hai Gioco?
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| 08/01/2006 10:01 PM |
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Posted By Alvarro on 07-19-2006 1:16 PM
I can see that, coming from the heavy side of things, it could look a bit scary. I think the rapier community has maybe not done too good a job of communicating just how stringent our usual authorization process is. I think our history of setting a performance standard for authorization probably makes the new rules more acceptable than they would be otherwise.
Perhaps you could give His Majesty some of the background by running him through a standard rapier authorization, and then explaining how it would be different for Cn'T.
Ah - but there is the rub, is it not? His Majesty does not seem to care much for the Authroization Process for Rapier as it stands now. |
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Justin Greywolf (SCA: Ramon Diaz de la Vega)
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Mat
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| 08/02/2006 2:58 AM |
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| Apart from the obvious, how does the heavy authorization process differ from it's rapier counterpart? |
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jgreywolf
Hai Gioco?
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| 08/02/2006 8:33 PM |
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| The process itself appears to be conceptually similar. The difference is in the "restrictions" of when and where you can authorize (events specifically) |
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Justin Greywolf (SCA: Ramon Diaz de la Vega)
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Utgar the Mad
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| 08/18/2006 4:12 PM |
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Ive recently run into this with the heavy community.... there is an Iron man tourney at ursulmas so we have been discussing the issues of getting people carded in alternate disciplines.
From what I have been told by multiple Heavies the authorization for heavy is pretty lax ... you got your armor up to snuff, you can gauge a blow and you can yell Im hit loud enough to be heard and then fall down ... heres your card.
This is a far departure from the many practices and drilling and safety that we in the rapier community accept and push for a good soild authorization.
Conceptually they are the same IE: you have to be safe for yourself and your opponent and understand the rules. In reality the term "Safe" is a huge variant. |
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