jgreywolf
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| 10/16/2006 12:16 PM |
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From a conversation this past weekend at WMAW; what topic would interest you in a book on Western Martial Arts?
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RuaidhriMacCuileann
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| 10/16/2006 1:09 PM |
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Heh. I was a participant in that conversation, and I can't remember what I said.
No, wait... It's coming back... I think I said something about interprative books based on period manuals. As in "I've been studying and working with the Capo Ferro materials for awhile, and here's my modern explanation of how it works and how you can use it." It doesn't even really have to be limited to a single master, as long as the author notes which principles and methods come from which old dead guy. Something like William Wilson's book, or the new one from Guy Windsor. Or maybe something like "The Liechtenauer Tradition for Dummies," with extensive footnotes. 
Favorite "For Dummies" topics would include:
La Verdadera Destreza (Puck and Mary, are you listening? )
Liechtenauer tradition
- CQC
- Longsword
- Rappyer (German sidesword)
Fiore tradition
- CQC
- Longsword
MS I.33
Italian sidesword
Italian rapier
English swordplay
English quarterstaff
WMA adapted for modern self-defense
That about covers it, I think.
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W. Scott Simmons
aka Ruaidhri Mac Cuileann dal gCais
cadet to Don Tyrus of Misty Haven
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darkwyvern
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| 10/16/2006 9:25 PM |
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heh,
already got it, the School of Fencing by Dominco Angelo per Jared Kirby and Maestro martinez's translation!
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Jon Barber
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| 10/18/2006 3:11 PM |
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Posted By darkwyvern on 10-16-2006 9:25 PM heh, already got it, the School of Fencing by Dominco Angelo per Jared Kirby and Maestro martinez's translation! 
NB: This isn't a translation, but rather a reprint of the 1971 Land's End Press reprint of the 1787 translation published by Henry Angelo of the 1763 'L'Ecole des Armes'. It's annotated by Jeanette and Jared edited it, but they didn't translate it - it's been available for 25 years. |
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Lessingham
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| 11/15/2006 11:30 AM |
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Posted By RuaidhriMacCuileann on 10-16-2006 1:09 PM Favorite "For Dummies" topics would include: La Verdadera Destreza (Puck and Mary, are you listening?  ) Liechtenauer tradition - CQC - Longsword - Rappyer (German sidesword) Fiore tradition - CQC - Longsword MS I.33 Italian sidesword Italian rapier English swordplay English quarterstaff WMA adapted for modern self-defense That about covers it, I think. Regards, W. Scott Simmons aka Ruaidhri Mac Cuileann dal gCais cadet to Don Tyrus of Misty Haven
You aren't paying close enough attention to the books that have come out. Two on your wishlist at least already exist.
MS I.33 was published by Stephen Hand as a how to at the same time of the translation. Both are available from Chivalry Bookshelf. Also there is a very good longsword training book by Guy Windsor called "The Swordsman's Companion" which is based on training for the Fiore style of longsword - also available from Chivalry Bookshelf.
Also for English Swordplay... try the new George Silver books by Paul Wagner and Stephen Hand. Stephan's book I havn't seen yet but it has gotten excellant reviews.
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"The Will is the captain general of our army and our fortress."
1587 F. Ghisliero pg. 108 |
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Lessingham
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| 11/15/2006 11:30 AM |
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Oh... there is also a quarterstaff book available through Chiv. Bookshelf now as well. |
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"The Will is the captain general of our army and our fortress."
1587 F. Ghisliero pg. 108 |
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RuaidhriMacCuileann
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| 11/15/2006 2:14 PM |
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Ah, but more is better!
Besides, I did mention Guy's new book before I started my list. I also have Christian Tobler's "Fighting with the German Longsword," which nicely fills my desire for a "Leichtenauer for Dummies" kind of book. OK, maybe it's written for an audience that's a bit above the dummy level, but it's a nice book to have.
Nevertheless, more is better. Now if I could just get around to budgeting the books that are already out there...
Regards,
W. Scott Simmons
aka Ruaidhri Mac Cuileann dal gCais
Cadet to Don Tyrus of Misty Haven
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Lessingham
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| 11/15/2006 3:51 PM |
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Posted By RuaidhriMacCuileann on 11-15-2006 2:14 PM Nevertheless, more is better. Now if I could just get around to budgeting the books that are already out there...
That seems to be my largest problem.... I need someone to fill the things on my x-mas list
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"The Will is the captain general of our army and our fortress."
1587 F. Ghisliero pg. 108 |
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jgreywolf
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| 12/31/2006 12:11 PM |
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8 people have expressed interest in seeing new Italian Swordplay books out on the market, dealing with some topic not already published.
Would any of those people (or anyone else for that matter) be willing to share with the rest of us what specific topic/master they wish to see a book on? |
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warwick
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| 12/31/2006 1:51 PM |
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People have been telling me for well over a year that there is a new translation of Digrassi in the works. I would love to see that, as well as some analysis. Several years ago Callen, Augustine and myself spent a summer going through the original English translation (not the online translliterations) and we enjoyed very much sussing out his progressions. It is very teachable stuff and a lot of fun to learn, and has techniques applicable to both rapier and sidesword.
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Luciano
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| 12/31/2006 3:45 PM |
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There is really only two Italian (Fabris & Vadi)books on the market right now(three, if you count the Kirby translation of Capo Ferro, which I don't). So the field is pretty wide open. There are a lot of things floating around the web, but haven't been finished/polished and published. So a good translation of Capo Ferro, Giganti, Fiore, all the Dardi manuscripts, Agrippa, Ghislieri, Marcelli, Pallavicini, Senese, nicely laid out, would be great. And that doesn't even get to the really later era stuff that I want, like Radaelli, Parise, Scorzo and Grisetti.
Of all these, the ones I'd like to see most are some of the Dardi stuff, Radaelli, and Scorzo and Grisetti.
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KitH
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| 01/02/2007 11:00 AM |
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| You can add in the new Guy Windsor book, The Duellists Companion. Its a training guide for Rapier based on Capo Ferro. |
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Kit Heinrichs
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Luciano
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| 01/02/2007 12:15 PM |
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I was thinking just translations. If I include interpretive works, that would add two more, Guy's new book, and William Wilson's "Arte of Defense".
Point being that there aren't that many out there yet, the field is still pretty wide open.
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Arffuidsson
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| 01/23/2007 10:41 PM |
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Greetings,
On the current survey (What "WMA" topic in a book would most interest you?) I selected “Some Other Topic”.
My reason for this is that I’d be interested in seeing a book set up to try to inspire other people into becoming interested in WMA. We need to help those who might be standing just outside of the proverbial fire to come on in. We also need to find positive ways to inform the Eastern Martial Arts students and masters of the possibilities that we are finding in these forgotten treatise. My thought along those lines are to have something similar to a reference book, or a series of reference books (heck, even an Osprey Series would possibly work).
Some possible areas that might be included are:
1. Tracing the lineage of the techniques, and how they change over time and through the different regions (yes I understand that, if you look hard enough, you can find it.).
2. Information that demonstrates the breadth and depth that other may not believe exists within our chosen Martial Arts.
3. Plates from treatise, with some explanations.
4. Locations of where the originals could be found. (Example, one copy of Fiore’s manual is in the Getty).
I’d like us to be able to spread the word to many in ways that would help bring them in and not make them think that we’re full of hot air. This could inflate the attendance of the schools that are out there, possibly enhance the quality of material being published, and improve the possibilities for publishers to believe in the possibility of a larger market.
These are just some of my thoughts on the subject.
In Service to the West,
Staffan Arffuidsson
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