jgreywolf
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| 06/30/2006 2:14 PM |
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| S - 6 people actually classified themselves as "warrior", in the June Poll. Curious: How would you define warrior? |
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Dormouse
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| 07/01/2006 6:55 PM |
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Admirable start for a discussion thread.
To quote Louis Armstrong (When asked what jazz is...) "If you gotta ask you ain't ever gonna know..."
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Mat
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| 07/02/2006 3:52 AM |
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Speaking in generalities, I think a warrior is defined as somebody who stands up for what they believe in, regardless of the cost. On the primative side, it's also somebody who's willing to kill and or wage war to protect that which threatens what they care for or believe in.
Now Krug...Krug's deffinately a warrior. KRUG SMASH!
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Marten
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| 07/05/2006 9:58 AM |
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| These guys (and gals) are warriors. We are swordsmen (and women), fencers, dilettantes, etc. The distinction is obvious. |
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Lessingham
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| 08/02/2006 9:00 AM |
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| I would argue that being a soldier does noy make one a warrior. I would also argue that a warrior does not need to be a soldier... or even a martial artist of any kind. Though traditional martial arts training certainly helps instill the proper mindset and values. |
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| 08/16/2006 1:49 PM |
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Talk about a difficult concept to convey succinctly. I suppose for the sake of being concise I would state it as such: a soldier is a profession, whereas the warrior is a way.
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Romeo13
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| 08/29/2006 3:53 PM |
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As a combat vet, and retired Navy, someone who has studied military history for many years....
Warriors die gloriously charging machine gun nests... they burn fast and hot, and usually die young... often getting a lot of other people killed with them...
Proffesionals are the ones who win wars... the ones who do it by the numbers, the ones who understand that charging that machine gun nest is stupid, when in 5 minutes I could have called in fire support... the ones who put the most hurt on the enemy with the least amount of risk.
Warriors fight with Passion.... proffesionals fight with deliberation....
The Romans were proffesionals... the Gauls were Warriors.....
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johannes
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| 09/11/2006 7:47 PM |
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I my opinion, a warrior is a person that fights with passion, yet never lets that passion get in the way of the true purpose, be it the protection of innocents our their own honor. A warrior is a peacekeeper, a person who fights so that others arent forced to. A warrior is a person of Honor, fighting for what they believe is right, not what the guy that pays him says. A warrior is a person willing to lay down their very life to save another. I believe these are all things than all fighters of any kind should strive for. I know i do.
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Romeo13
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| 09/11/2006 11:36 PM |
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Posted By johannes on 09-11-2006 7:47 PM
I my opinion, a warrior is a person that fights with passion, yet never lets that passion get in the way of the true purpose, be it the protection of innocents our their own honor. A warrior is a peacekeeper, a person who fights so that others arent forced to. A warrior is a person of Honor, fighting for what they believe is right, not what the guy that pays him says. A warrior is a person willing to lay down their very life to save another. I believe these are all things than all fighters of any kind should strive for. I know i do.
Johannes Son Of Ceowulf
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So Ghengis Khan was not a Warrior?
sorry, but it sounds more like your talking about Knights and such than warriors to me.... |
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MollyModine
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| 09/12/2006 7:40 AM |
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So Romeo13 were Knights not also warriors? Of course they were.
Anyhow....
For myself, and I have served with the Special Service Force in CFB Petawawa in the long ago past. A warrior is a general term for someone who risks their life for the "better good". This could be to save someone's life, expand a nation, help the helpless, a lot of options but it centres around acts invovling war. It doesn't matter if they were paid or not, for everyone gets paid some kind of reward. Spoils of war, a paycheck, or seeing their loved ones again. A warrior shows great courage, vigor, aggressiveness and valour in the act of war.
But perhaps remembering the origin of the word will help in defining it.
A warrior is a person engaged or experienced in WARFARE.
The origins of the word come from Middle English somewhere around 1250-1300 the word was Werreieor. Old North French called it Werrei(er) as in to war.
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warwick
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| 09/12/2006 8:12 AM |
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A warrior is a romantic concept. We say things like "She has the heart of a warrior" (which is good), but you never hear people say "She has the head of a warrior" (which would be bad I think). Warriors are passionate, idealised conceptions - metaphors, or symbols.
In reality we can all be warriors at times. We draw on the archtype in times of need. When the adrenalin floods your system, I think you have the heart of a warrior.
But reality is harsh. We also say things like "She fought and died like a warrior".
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MollyModine
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| 09/12/2006 10:50 AM |
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| She died like a warrrior beause her team-mate shot her in the side of head as she was running back towards him to defend him once again after the called charge. :p Oops ... hehehe |
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Molly Modine (GdS, Havoc)
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Romeo13
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| 09/12/2006 1:49 PM |
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Posted By MollyModine on 09-12-2006 7:40 AM
So Romeo13 were Knights not also warriors? Of course they were.
No, Many Knights were Warriors.... but not all warriors were Knights (and many Knights, especially later in the Middle ages, were not warriors at all...).
To tie warrrior to a code of honor, ESPECIALY Chivalry, to me changes the meaning pretty dramaticaly. |
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RuaidhriMacCuileann
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| 09/12/2006 5:16 PM |
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Warriors are Martians. I mean that in a very religious way.
Opaque? I prefer to think of it as... concise.
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W. Scott Simmons
aka Ruaidhri Mac Cuileann dal gCais
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MollyModine
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| 09/12/2006 5:47 PM |
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Well then Romeo we'll have to agree to have different opinions, and hey it's okay to have different opinions, because if we were all exactly the same it would be a very boring little world to live in.
I'll stick to the meanings and origins of the word to define it:
A warrior is a person engaged or experienced in WARFARE, it is not defined by chivalry or codes, it's defined by the act of war.
I'm not saying I don't see your point, for I do, I would just class the person differently. |
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Guillemin
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| 09/13/2006 2:44 PM |
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I think, like most definitions, this one has expanded over time. Traditionally, a warrior could be simply defined as one who engages in war. But people who fight other battles for other reasons can be warriors. A kid who beats an addiction to heroin is a warrior, as is a woman who fights malignant breast cancer for half a decade or more. Course, I'm tangenting (yes, that is a verb), but there aren't many conversations where I keep to the topic anyways  |
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warwick
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| 09/13/2006 9:54 PM |
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Posted By MollyModine on 09-12-2006 10:50 AM
She died like a warrrior beause her team-mate shot her in the side of head as she was running back towards him to defend him once again after the called charge. :p Oops ... hehehe Um, yeah - sorry 'bout that. Like Jimbo says, you were "coming right for us!" with steel in your hands and an evil glint in your eye...
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MollyModine
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| 09/13/2006 10:22 PM |
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Oh them's fightin' words boy! You could not see the glint. 
Don't make me go SouthPark on your arse the next time.
Oh wait, you already did that. :p Well next time I'll use an antler rack as an off hand parrying weapon!
Seriously though, it'll be one of those ... So no shit there I was stories
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What the hell just hit me in the side of the head? There are no guns left on the emeny side. Oh shit .... Falls down dead. LOL .... ok so we're SO off topic now. |
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Molly Modine (GdS, Havoc)
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Lycanthro
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| 10/03/2006 9:10 PM |
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| I believe that a warrior is more of a thinker in his actions and way of combat, a student of the ways of war and the strategies governing it. Unlike a fighter that just follows directions. The term like so many others in our language has been given so many different definitions that is hard to pin down just what it’s suppose to mean. |
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darkwyvern
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